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  1. DamnQuilty
    September 15, 2019 @ 12:28 am

    in the manga he is in for a bit longer and there is more development for Kaworu. It is really different from the anime.

    Then you have the Rebuilds that count on you watching the anime, Birth and Rebirth and End of Evangelion before watching them…

  2. Rous
    September 15, 2019 @ 12:29 am

    There’s some confusion among Eva fans about whether or not Asuka actually tried to kill herself, but I’ve always seen it as you did. It’s clear as day that she did. Especially as she was hospitalized straight after

    Perhaps the biggest hint is her folded up clothes on the chair in the corner. Maybe a character like Rei when taking a bath might fold her clothes up methodically like that, but it wouldn’t be something you’d expect Asuka to be in the habit of doing. Folding clothes, tidying, trying to create some kind of organisation of chaos are all things people often do in their final moments when they reach that point.

    Some might think the clothes are just an inconsequential background image, but in one of the flashing image sequences coming up in End of Eva there’s a close up shot from a different angle of the clothes folded on the chair. Which indicates that it was an intentional and significant little detail

  3. Chríss M
    September 15, 2019 @ 12:38 am

    Oh! When is end of Eva? Hyppppp3d.

  4. Chríss M
    September 15, 2019 @ 12:41 am

    It’s a tradition to leave your clothes to the side like in the first shot with Asuka when one commits suicide. So it’s highly likely she tried to kill herself.

  5. FIFI
    September 15, 2019 @ 12:42 am

    About how Suddenly Kaworu loved Shinji and how quick he died in the series is that from what I got from crunchyroll evangelion timeline video is that there’s so may alternate time lines. And every time a 3rd impact happens a new timeline is created and the characters repeat their actions! And apparently the manga takes place before the tv series, and when kaworu and Shinji met it was earlier on in the manga timeline and kaworu slowly fell in love with him across the manga but then he died. And when the world repeated itself in a new timeline which is the tv show he sent his memories to the kaworu of that universe which makes sense to why he was already in love with Shinji straight away because he already had fallen in love with him in the previous timeline! And when he says we’ll meet again it’s because he doesn’t really die mentally, he sends his memories and emotions to the next him that’s in the next timeline which would be the rebuild movie.

  6. Hans-Werner Werners Hans
    September 15, 2019 @ 12:43 am

    Regarding your question about Asuka in the bathtub: The directors cut deliberatly changes the colour from the original yellowish-brown to red, so i guess it is intentional that you can interpret it as blood. She also folded all her clothes and put them neatly on a chair next to her. Folding their clothes and putting of their shoes is a common behavior for people who commit suicide, so yeah. As "on the nose" as you can be in a show aimed at 14 year olds.

    I wish I wouldn’t be stuck in the german badlands without stable internet, there would be so much to write down. I’ll have to keep it short.

    -I hope you remember the scene at the beginning with the spilled coffee, as well as the kiss scene from episode 15. There is a reference in EoE that is… kinda important
    -I dont know anyone who did not imediatly realize that Kaworu is an angel. I’m not sure if the author wanted this to be a suprise but I’m sure about 99% of the viewers saw this comming a mile away.
    -Even today I have a hard time following Kaworus plotdumps. If there is one thing I don’t like about Eva, it’s the rushed conclusion to the story with obvious plotholes that needed to be covered up. And so far it doesn’t look like the rebuilds will do a better job
    -Honestly I don’t get the hype about Kaworu. I like the idea that an angel lacks any "human" fears and thus can connect to people very, very easily and I like that Shinji has to kill the only person that gives him what he wants. But other than that, he is mostly spouting exposition whenever he opens his mouth. The whole "No, this isn’t Adam… Lilith?" stuff is far to difficult to understand for anyone without the Eva-fanwiki to help him out. Overall, plot is the weaker part of Evangelion imo.

  7. Lain
    September 15, 2019 @ 12:44 am

    If there is any way to see more than 10 minutes of your End of Eva reaction, if you even do one, I would love that. If not it’s understandable, but if you did a series QnA after the fact that would be great!

  8. Jonathan Peres
    September 15, 2019 @ 12:49 am

    It was a good episode, but it really was a shame that we had a single episode with the new character. It would be more interesting if we had more time to meet him, so we would feel his death more. It’s been an incredible journey to review this anime with you!

  9. giwrgos kalaitzantwnakis
    September 15, 2019 @ 12:53 am

    Fun fact: Kaworu is voted the 2nd most popular male anime character of the 90’s(in Japan)for some reason

    The big argument with this episode is to what extent Kaworu’s intentions and his relationship with Shinji were pure. When I first watched the series, there was also loads nasty homophobic stuff involved in the discussion although that has thankfully died down over the years. There is definitely a reasonable cynical argument that I have seen made that casts Kaworu in a much more negative manipulative light where he is only using Shinji to achieve his goals until giving up and suiciding making Shinji feel bad in the process. But thematically, I have always preferred seeing him as having generally good intentions. I think he did "love" Shinji as much as an Angel could although perhaps you could say it is a bit more like fascination. Kaworu comes off as a Human-phile with his humming of classical music and fascination with the human mindset and loneliness.. As such, I’ve always seen the connection between him and Shinji as serving as the end of the progression that has shown up a few times of Angels gaining increased closeness to humanity.

    As one last interesting note, Hideaki Anno once said that Kaworu was what Shinji saw as an ideal version of himself. This fits nicely with Shinji’s sad spiel at the end of the episode about how Kaworu was better than him.

  10. macker33
    September 15, 2019 @ 12:54 am

    The scene around 9.50 is one of my favourite scenes in the whole show, very satisfying outcome. I hated that fvckers guts.

  11. giwrgos kalaitzantwnakis
    September 15, 2019 @ 1:07 am

    Look these are all things that the show half explains and never gives much shit to actualy go into,sadly..Its impossible to get everything with the first viewing and the no one does and its the shows fault..If you are gonna go straight to the EoE here are some things that are kind of needed to understand whats going on but are hardly explained..These arent spoilers since the show doesnt explain them from now on

    Lilim=What Kaworu calls humans

    Kaworu = reincarnation of adam with adam’s soul

    Gendo=has the embrio of adam from second impact that Kaji gave him in episode 8-9 in his hand

    Lilith= Kaworu says when its face to face with it "This is…Lilith ?"..Lilith is the giant in the basement, counterpart of adam and a different being from him.."she" is the being that gave birth to humans and animals as adam is the being that gived/gives birth to Angels (Seele says to Kaworu that Lilith=progenitor of mankind/Adam=progenitor of the Angels in this episode)..It never was Adam, adam was always the thing on the Antartica and later the embryo on Gendo’s hand..

    Also there was a line that the Geofront cave/structure was identical to the one Adam was found in in Antartica..they found it after the second impact in Japan and they found Lilith in it and thy built the Geofront arount it probably

    Rei= yui’s clone body with an Liliths soul.. that’s why even when they removed the lance of longhinus Lilith didn’t wake up, it had no soul and thats why Kaworu said to Rei when she meets her "you are the same as me /we inhabit this world on human forms or whatever"..Thats why she teleports to the basement out of nowhere and she creates an AT field that they detect in th bridge

    Gendo talking to EVA unit 01 calling it Yui and Shinji seeing his mother all the time when he is tripping inside the EVA is kind of an obvious connention

    Also we see that LCL is liliths blood and since its our "mother" we can breathe in it..The entire pool on her feet is LCL

    Yeah i think its highly implied that Asuka tried to Kill her self

  12. giwrgos kalaitzantwnakis
    September 15, 2019 @ 1:08 am

    In the first scene where Asuka looks like a malnourished crack head in the bath tub people often speculate that she tried to kill herself(by splitting her wrists probably) or that she is on her period and so defeated that she doesnt have the will to move clean herself..either way yikes

  13. giwrgos kalaitzantwnakis
    September 15, 2019 @ 1:11 am

    I would highly,highly advice watching episodes 25-26 before end of Eva..I think thats the most agreed way among the community ..Watching 25-26 in one shitting because they are kind of one episode and then watching End of Evangelion..Maybe make a poll about it here on what to watch first but i think its way better to go 25/26–>End of Evangelion and i think this is the usual suggested order

    If you end up watching EoE first here is a couple of reminders

    1) Contact between the thing on the basement(lilith) and an angel (adam) meens the third impact and the destruction of humanity..The angels instinctively were attracted to it..Seele send Adam/Kaworu to make contact with it so they have a plan to harness and controll the destruction of humanity to achieve a goal probably..Gendo also has a plan with the Embryo adam in hand ..Maybe simlilar with Seele but with his guiding hand instead..Maybe it revolves around the "Human Instrumentality Project" that got name dropped a couple of times as something important

    2) the AT-fields as Kaworu said in this episode are the barriers of the soul and the walls that keep our beings apart and seperate from each other…Evas and Angels are monstrous creatures so their AT fields manifest as physical things too

  14. Rous
    September 15, 2019 @ 1:16 am

    I’m glad you commented on how much having to kill the only person who told Shinji they loved him would affect him

    It’s part of the reason why I recommended End of Eva next because episode 25 and 26 don’t really dwell on Kaworu so by the time you would get through them and get to End of Eva you’d be distanced from the context of why Shinji is in the state he’s in