The Great Coffee Lake Con Job

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1. VADemon
   July 30, 2022 @ 6:36 am

   Manual of ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING, page 73 (section 3-15):
   "ASUS MultiCore Enhancement: [Auto] This item allows you to maximize the oveclocking performance optimized by ASUS core ratio settings."

   The whole issue is between error and incompetence.

2. Wrathinside
   July 30, 2022 @ 6:37 am

   So, HP gets the worst-binned chips? Good to know!

3. Zeitec Smith
   July 30, 2022 @ 6:38 am

   Tdp has nothing to do with power draw. It is a cooling specification. Stop saying they need to keep the CPU power draw under 65 watts. It’d not true.

4. Muscles Mouse
   July 30, 2022 @ 6:41 am

   1230 on cinebench? I think my x58 xeon can do that.

5. Marc Albert
   July 30, 2022 @ 6:41 am

   I’m running a Xeon 1231v3 at 3.8GHZ on all cores (forced) on a b85m chipset and cooled by a 212Evo (this might make a difference).
   here are my hwinfos when testing multicores on cinebench :
   Max power consumtion = 81,258 W (80w tdp)
   Max Core clocks = 3,801.3 Mhz Min Core clocks = 3,799.9 Mhz.

   It’s basically manual MCE

   I can’t believe new intel chips can’t do better than their older brothers (this statement goes to intel, not AdoredTV).
   Is intel being fishy now ?

6. RobBCactive
   July 30, 2022 @ 6:42 am

   Kudos!! Imagine an AMD Zen 3 dual chiplet part only 6c/12t 32MB L3 "base", but "speculative" additional cores rated with a dynamic system tool up to 16c/32t within a 144W (& 88W low end) profile. AMD ensures early adopters receive R9 grade review quality silicon but volume later is filled by reject bin chiplets with faulty cores.
   Subtle sluething in the video, usually these reveals are obvious to me but this sneeky trick subborns even the honest reviewer who’s not fanatically cynical.

7. leaf 4
   July 30, 2022 @ 6:42 am

   3.8ghz(depending on load? what load?) on 6 core and 14nm still? Not everyone is engineer, but, thats just stupendous. Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Nope?

8. Harsesis Hok'tar
   July 30, 2022 @ 6:45 am

   4.6 GEEGAHETZ

9. ambearcat
   July 30, 2022 @ 6:46 am

   CON LAKE is short for CONDOM LAKE

10. bitmau5
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:46 am

    I decided to start a new build. Good lord, what have I done!

11. thanosAIAS
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:48 am

    No matter what, the benchmarks show significant difference with AMD, unfortunately. So significant, that Intel is the only way forward for gamers at least.

12. Mulnader
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:48 am

    I can’t find anything similar as MultiCore Enhancement in my Prema BIOS (Clevo P775TM1-G) for 8700K.
    BTW is normal to have 7-10C difference between cores after professional deliding? Guys from Dreammachines said it’s completely fine but never saw temperatures like this at any laptop.

13. Marian DANILA
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:49 am

    Great video, man ! Thank you for the effort !

14. Matt
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:49 am

    i am still Supper Pissed as i whet out and got a good Z270 mother board and a cheep i3.. To save up for a 7700k but when i heared the 8700k and found out i cant use my motherboard!!!

15. Akarshy V
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:50 am

    lmao and ill still need to overclock my i5-8600k cause that multicore enhancement wont function in normal scenarios

16. dotMCL
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:50 am

    Watched this video about a month ago, + looked at the chipset game Intel is playing, decided on Ryzen 1700x as my new build. I’ve never been a fanboy, but just like you Jim, I’m a technology fan. I’ve gone from Amd to Intel (goes for ATI / nVidia) and back depending on who offered the best performance and least bullshit. I can’t be happier with my purchase, coming from a 4690k. That being said, if AMD pulls some Intel style BS with their x470 Chipset and Zen+, I’ll be seriously pissed.

    Many thanks!

17. CorwinINaDSM
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:52 am

    3.9 on all cores on my i5 8400, but thats with MCE 102.9 bclk on a ASUS z370I ROG Strix, with a Zalman cooler. Didn’t feel that fast before I turned on MCE, upped the ram speed, and changed bclk. Temps are cooler than my old proc by a lot.

18. G Roberts
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:53 am

    AdoredTV, please keep these videos up. People need to know this info.

19. Cavey Möth
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:53 am

    Intel is gonna need a heck of a lot of turbo in order to compete with the Ryzen 3000 series. Perhaps they could call it MCV or "Multi Core Vtech."

20. Sean
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:54 am

    Except no because its already been shown that some of the tech tubers tested with MCE enabled without knowing due to the ASUS boards having MCE turned on by default, while others tested with AORUS boards and such which come with MCE disabled by default, resulting in the lower scores.

21. David Tan
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:54 am

    Dodged a bullet. I was about to buy a i5 8400…

22. Frank Logrim
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:55 am

    so fucking good content, you just keep blowing my mind and keep me feed with the idea that Intel cpu’s are just not worth spending money on EVEN if they klock very high and perform good in games, I mean what difference does it make if you have about 100 fps or 140fps… The other stuff you can do simultaneously with a Ryzen cpu is just incredible.. Yet im pulling my hair trying to explain to my friends that amd is the way to go and they are just blinded by the fps results of those benchmarkers they put their trust into…..

23. KFC Warrior
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:57 am

    Fuck intel. Once zen gets the clock speeds, its game over.

24. sudd
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:58 am

    i always knew that reviews whas the highest performance possible, its all well and nice if you know it while reading it but the gap is really big now. revieser should maybe do low end reviews also, reals life performance on lower end parts and coolers.

25. Brolivia Wilde
    July 30, 2022 @ 6:58 am

    On a related note about MCE, back in the summer of 2017, I finally got some spare time to troubleshoot why my CPU was behaving erratically ever since I upgraded to Win10.
    During the troubleshooting, each and everytime I tried a different BIOS, the default is for MCE to be enabled on my ASUS z77 board. I only remember it now after looking for videos I hadn’t watched yet from people I sub to and I came across this video again. Really a comment just to add another data point about what MB vendors are, and have been doing.

    also, after putting the BIOS back to latest version, clearing cmos, and everythign at default, still weird behavior, After a clean install of Win10, my erratic cpu behaviour magically went away.

26. Sam M. Atherton
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:00 am

    Hey is this feature also available for non k-skues? Because a 4ghz all core turbo on a $200 chip by running a z-board is pretty killer, especially with its 2.8ghz base clock… Kinda makes sense then why the z-boards are the only ones available too.

27. Ross M
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:00 am

    Multi core enhancement is not new at all. I have it on a 6yr old board. It seems you’ve been proven wrong now anyway, real world performance of 8600/8700 is well within what we were shown on these respectable websites. I believe you calling out Guru 3d is a low blow as they are not know for being biased

28. Rocket Maniac
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:05 am

    Whoops, forgot my tinfoil hat. Now let’s watch this.

29. xeb edy
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:06 am

    F*ck Intel! Och aye the noo!.. Great job!

30. Dante S550 10R80'S
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:06 am

    newegg has the 8700k in stock limited 1 per customer, but $420 atm. Also no free shipping even the 4-7 day shipping cost $1 lol.

31. MrSammy
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:09 am

    8400 + mATX B motherboard FTW! ☕😍

32. mark vietti
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:10 am

    Intel has to do there own fabs in order to keep there military contracts. this is why they cannot out source…like AMD and Nvidia..

33. The-Redacted Computer
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:11 am

    another good video Jim!

34. TheFauvel
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:13 am

    The reason I’m still subscribed to Linus is the same reason I’m still subscribed to Hydraulic Press Channel. It’s just for mindless entertainment, his reviews are pure garbage, with the exception of phone reviews.

    If I want proper reviews there are much better sources to choose from.

35. NapoleonBonaparte
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:16 am

    How much is AMD paying you

36. ErgonomicChair
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:16 am

    Wow, this was enlightening.

37. kitty sox
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:17 am

    My 8400 i5 just randomly purchased from newegg holds 3.9 all core turbo with no multi core enhance.

38. Thanny
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:19 am

    Kind of funny how pretty much the same exact thing has just replayed itself with the 9900K, but using TDP limits rather than MCE.

39. Main Fighter
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:19 am

    I’m happy with my 8700k

40. Ricky Ramos
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:20 am

    Is this propaganda?

41. Versus
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:21 am

    i5 8400 all the way sorry. For $300 (after $15 rebate) you can get an i5 8400 and a z370 motherboard. Soon you will be able to get cheaper motherboards.

42. Andrei Neacsu
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:21 am

    I suspect that the Intel TDP today refers to the thermal output design at the base frequency. That is why massive cooling is the solution to keeping higher turbo clocks, despite 95W being something quite trivial for most air coolers. I keep cold an older FX-8350 (125W) at nice temperatures with a low-profile BeQuiet! air cooler that’s rated at 130W and can be obtained at less than $40 whenever on sale. Yet, the same cooler is inadequate for a proper sustainable turbo or overclock of the 7700K. It is only reasonable to assume that the 8700k draws 40% more power at each of the equivalent P-states than the 7700K.

43. D2ultima
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:23 am

    You should take a look at intel mobile CPUs. They all have HUGE turbo boost tables and super low base speeds. The CPUs WILL return "throttle" if they cannot hold full turbo, but OEMs and such insist that base clock must not be attainable before there is considered throttling. Mark my words: turbo boost should be "on" under sufficient load.

44. Chris R.
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:24 am

    It’s been a little over a month, are there any benchmarks out there with non-intel cherry picked chips showing whether the insinuations regarding poor turbo clock performance were correct?

45. Mariachi153
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:26 am

    lol that i5 8400 takes the cake. 2.8 Ghz base clock with 3.8 Ghz max turbo… but good luck getting there.

46. Facelord
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:26 am

    A lot of this seems like speculation based on old data. Lots of the 8000k chips are overclockable to 5GHz and above, seems to peak on AIOs at 5.3GHz when you win the silicon lottery. I’m all-AMD, besides the Tegra X1 in my Switch, but yeah.

47. Master G
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:28 am

    Unless you are going to delid the CPU, dont expect the 8700K to run 5ghz, Delid it, put some liquid metal, and 5ghz 24/7 is easy with temps under 80c

48. Seth NoWai
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:29 am

    And rabbit hole goes deeper… 😀 But I guess it is worse then I might have thought.

49. Abraham Lincoln
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:31 am

    Z370 boards are not that expensive. the difference between a decent B350 or X370 board and a Z370 board is like $20. also, intel CPUs aren’t anywhere near as picky with RAM. whatever money you save on a motherboard when buying AMD, you’ll end up blowing on Samsung B Die RAM.

50. Ubereme
    July 30, 2022 @ 7:31 am

    Great Videos, very eye opening thank you for spending your time in bringing this information to us all 🙂 i have subbed 🙂 cheers